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Another area where our worship can be infused with false religion is in holidays. One example is Christmas. Almost all religions that call themselves Christian celebrate Christmas as the supposed day of the birth of Christ. However, there is nothing to indicate that Jesus' disciples celebrated such a holiday in the 1st century. One book says: "In the two hundred years after the birth of Christ, nobody knew exactly when Jesus was born, and hardly anyone was interested" (Sacred Origins of Profound Things). Jesus' disciples would not even have celebrated his birthday if they had known the exact date. Why not? As one encyclopedia says, early Christians considered "birthdays to be a pagan custom" (The World Book Encyclopedia). The only birthday celebrations mentioned in the Bible were held for two rulers who did not worship Jehovah. Birthdays were also celebrated in honor of pagan deities. On May 24th, for example, the Romans celebrated the birthday of the goddess Diana and one day later that of the sun god Apollo. Birthday celebrations were not associated with Christianity at the time, but with paganism. First-century Christians would not have celebrated Jesus' birthday for another reason. Jesus' disciples probably knew that birthday celebrations were related to superstition. Many ancient Greeks and Romans believed, for example, that when each person is born there is a spirit that will protect them throughout their lives. One book says: "There was a mystical relationship between this spirit and the god on whose birthday the person was born" (The Lore of Birthdays). God was guaranteed not to please any celebration associating Jesus with superstition. But how is it that Christmas has become so common?

CHRISTMAS It was not until a few hundred years after Jesus' death that the custom of celebrating his birth on December 25th took hold. Jesus was not born on that day at all, but obviously in October. How did you get December 25th? This was probably due to the fact that some so-called Christians later "wished to overlap with the pagan Roman festival that marked the" birthday of the undefeated sun "" (The New Encyclopaedia Britannica). In winter, when the power of the sun seemed weakest, the pagans held celebrations to bring the sun back from its journey into the distance as a source of heat and light. The sun was believed to return on December 25th. Religious leaders interested in the conversion of Gentiles took over this celebration and gave it a "Christian" look. It was recognized long ago that Christmas has pagan roots. In the 17th century it was banned in England and some American colonies because of its unbiblical origin. Back then you had to pay a fine if you stayed away from work on Christmas Day alone. Soon, however, the old customs prevailed again and new ones were added. Christmas again became a major holiday, and in many countries it has remained so to this day. However, because Christmas has to do with false religion, Christians who want to please God do not celebrate it any more than do other festivals and holidays rooted in pagan cults.

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I'm just happy about it - as long as it doesn't turn into purely worldly commerce.

All the best

Jamy

How does God feel about holidays?

I believe joy is not forbidden! We certainly don't need to go down to the cellar to laugh, but we can warmly look forward to the arrival of Jesus (even if the date may differ) and celebrate it for us too. When God sees my childlike joy in many things, He smiles. & cat1

Hello,

I find it completely normal to celebrate public holidays.

What often bothers me about this discussion, which is widespread in Christian forums, is the following:

It is often complained that all sorts of non-Christian things have moved in on Christian holidays:
- Christmas tree plus Santa Claus
- Easter bunny, Easter fire
- Halloween before All Saints Day

etc.

As if the non-Christian intends to oppress the Christian.

And what you write here is forgotten:

It is not the non-Christian that pushes for Christian holidays, but the Christian that has pushed for other celebrations.

But not a small bargain that many Christians do not know:
What is Christian celebrated on New Year's Eve?
Let's see if anyone knows.

&remain silent

bye

Jörg

The ancient Romans and Teutons have already celebrated "end of year festivals". So they were pagan celebrations. The church festival New Year's Eve is more of a day of remembrance of saints (death day of Pope New Year's Eve + 355). At some point in the Renaissance, the end of the year is December 31st. laid and that was his feast day.

Hello,

New Year is 8 days after the birth of Jesus. So it was his day of circumcision (https://www.bistummainz.de/pfarrei/dekanat-bergstrasse-west/pg-vhm-aposteln-marien/Glaube/Festtage/SilvesterundNeujahr.html).

bye

Jörg

Hello


God was guaranteed not to please any celebration associating Jesus with superstition. But how is it that Christmas has become so common?

What a tight template for God! Who is it who gives guarantees about God's preferences and decides in his place about what he is pleased with and how far his love may extend?

Why shouldn't God rejoice when we celebrate Christmas as the feast of Jesus' birth. As proof of this, I feel anew a holy, joyful pang in me every year, a heavenly joy that I cannot produce myself, but can receive as grace. Everything that we humans share with Jesus and every festival that we celebrate with Jesus is certainly blessed, be it of pagan origin or not. That would suit Satan if Christians wanted to finally leave the holidays to the unbelievers. As long as believers celebrate these days with Jesus, mankind remains blessed with all its customs and practices. I am also of the opinion that our ancestors did not celebrate the annual festivals such as the solstice or Thanksgiving completely lovelessly and heartlessly. Why shouldn't we keep celebrating these memorial days with Jesus? Who said it was all superstition? At that time God was not yet incarnate in Jesus, which is why our ancestors gave thanks in their own way to the Creator in awe. It is right for people to celebrate the solstice in gratitude for the goodness of God in creation, which also includes the sun providing our earth with warmth and light so that life can flourish on it. Every celebration that we celebrate with Jesus today is all the more a blessed holiday. Only if all people far away and without connection to Jesus / God would celebrate the festivals, then they would be really pagan.

We should be happy with the happy, says Paul. We Christians want to be all the more, because we celebrate the birth of Jesus every year at the cold and dark Christmas season. It doesn't matter if the date is correct. In any case, he came as light into the darkness of the world. So why should Christians not especially remember Jesus' birth in the flesh and in the world on the longest night of the year? And why should that be unpleasant to God?


God looks at the hearts and he is sure to be happy when we celebrate Christmas in our own way, if we only let him take part in our celebration. And we can be certain: His blessing not only pours out on those who know him, but also pours out his blessing on the ungrateful and wicked, provided he is invited to the festival. :-) And who invites Jesus to the festivals if not we Christians? :-)

At the wedding in Canaa, Jesus made sure that the festival could continue even if there was no more wine. Although the guests had already drunk and were full, because he had just been invited, he gave his blessing to continue the celebration by filling the water jugs with wine from heaven. :-)

How petty, then, to believe that people's memory of Jesus could displease God the Father. It is precisely because of the memory of Jesus that every day and every festival before God becomes a holy festival! That's how I see it!


However, since Christmas has to do with the wrong religion, Christians who want to please God do not celebrate this festival any more than other festivals and holidays rooted in pagan cults. [/ FONT]

Christmas has nothing to do with false religion. Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus because they love Jesus. And many other holidays, on which our ancestors commemorated the Creator or creation with thanks and praise, we celebrate today with hearts swelling with joy, because thanks to Jesus we know that God wants to be close to us and is close, yes, that he prefers to be in the middle wants to be among us like a father with his children. :-)


Hello,
It is not the non-Christian that pushes for Christian holidays, but the Christian that has pushed for other celebrations.

I think that's so nice! It's great that by celebrating with the Christians, all celebrations are connected to Jesus and thus to the blessing of God the Father. :-) All of you Christians, keep up the good work so that Jesus can get involved in our world and the blessing of God can go along with humanity! :-)

Have a nice Advent!


Hello,
New Year is 8 days after the birth of Jesus. So it was his day of circumcision (http: // https: //www.bistummainz.de/pfarrei/dekanat-bergstrasse-west/pg-vhm-aposteln-marien/Glaube/Festtage/SilvesterundNeujahr.html).
Circumcision tells us Christians little. Incidentally, as a Christian, I don't celebrate New Year's Eve, but New Year's. I always start the New Year with Jesus and ask for God's blessings and guidance for everyone and for him to go through the coming year. The external circumcision is not important to me, however, as a Christian, the circumcision of the heart is important to me.

History / history of religion
Christmas -
so what?
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“In the winter solstice, when the shining star of the day rises again in the sky, the gods appeared among the people, above all Fro, the god of peace and happiness, giver of fertility and all good gifts, plus Bertha, the soul mother. Then all war and quarrels stopped, people kissed each other for peace and lit lights and bonfires. "
—JOHANN NEPUMUK SEPP,
THE RELIGION OF THE OLD GERMANS





























“From the far north to the far south, the image of the Yggdrasil ash and everything that lives on it, the Christmas tree, has conquered the world.
The tree with golden apples is already emblazoned in Avallon, the blessed island of the Druids ...
The Christmas tree with its fruits illustrates the satisfaction of all wishes ... "
—JOHANN NEPUMUK SEPP,
THE RELIGION OF THE OLD GERMANS

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It is common knowledge today that the second most important festival in the Christian calendar is actually not a Christian tradition. Most people see this as irrelevant, but is it really it? Are good reasons enough to determine whether something is right or wrong?
In the famous Broadway musical “Fiddler on the Roof” (Anatevka) from 1964, which takes place in Tsarist Russia, the main actor Tevje emphasizes that tradition gives the life of the villagers balance and that their life would be so uncertain without traditions “how a fiddler on the roof ”. Without a doubt, traditions are something that gives people a certain sense of security, without which people who grew up with them can easily feel insecure, as Tevje sings so touchingly.
The importance of common traditions for the cohesion and identity awareness of cultures is undisputed. Even if young people sometimes turn away from long-standing traditions and look for new identities, quite a few return there at an advanced age, perhaps also in the hope of reviving the feeling of security in childhood.
This certainly also applies to Christmas, which is so popular on the one hand and, on the other hand, is rejected by some because of various accompanying circumstances. This festival has to do with tradition above all else. The Catholic Encyclopedia clearly states that it "was not one of the early feasts of the Church". In fact, according to this Catholic source, the feast is an example of a doctrine or practice “passed down from generation to generation ... it is an ancient tradition that Jesus Christ was born on December 25th (emphasis added).
But is tradition a sufficient justification for a custom that is inconsistent with the event or the person in question?

WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
Attentive readers of our publications will already have recognized that we are trying to get to the bottom of things and put various doctrines of traditional Christianity on a testing scale to determine whether they are subject to testing by the book that Christianity as the basis of its doctrine sees, withstand. When you do this, you sometimes get surprising results.
Today there are many people, including those from religious circles (as the Catholic Encyclopedia shows), who clearly see and accept that Christmas cannot be derived from the Holy Scriptures. Newspaper reports that appear annually at this time underline this. You could say that although you recognize the non-biblical origin of the festival, you still see no problem in celebrating the birth of Christ on December 25th (or on the evening of December 24th). Why also?
On the face of it, there certainly does not seem to be any reason to question this. It is a tradition that stands under the “sign of peace among people”. It brings people together, families, friends celebrate together, and give each other presents (even if it's not their own birthday, but supposedly the person concerned). How can it make out whether Christ was really born on that day, as long as it is used to show him honor? What is it that the traditional trees with tinsel, the lights, wreaths, mistletoe, the Jul tree or the Christmas presents have their origins in paganism? The spirit of Christmas, it is argued, overrides the origins of the various traditions, even if the festival is in error. It is clear that these are issues that many people actually do not care; nevertheless, we would like to address them to everyone who is important to get to the bottom of things.
One answer can be illustrated by a conversation Jesus had with a Samaritan woman he met near the city of Sychar in Samaria (see John chapter 4). Many biblical commentaries note that the Samaritans were treated with contempt - viewed as a "promenade mix", as it were. These hybrids arose because in the 8th century BC. After Israel's deportation, foreigners were transplanted to the territory of the former northern part of the Kingdom of Israel. The new residents mingled with the rest of the Israelites who had not been driven from the land and absorbed many Hebrew customs, including worshiping the God of Israel. However, they mixed aspects of the Jewish Torah (the law) with the worship of pagan gods that they had “imported”: “So they served both the Lord and their own gods at the same time; for they held fast to the customs they had brought with them from their homelands ”(2 Kings 17:33; Good News Bible). Although they saw themselves as Israelites and kept Israelite traditions, they did not really know what or whom they were worshiping.
The Samaritan woman got to the heart of the problem when she said to Jesus, “Our ancestors worshiped God on this mountain. You Jews, on the other hand, claim that Jerusalem is the place where God wants to be worshiped ”(John 4:20; Good News Bible). The Samaritans had built a temple on Mount Gerizim, very close to where this conversation was taking place. They and everyone else in Samaria had adhered to the tradition of worshiping on Mount Gerizim and regarding Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as their forefathers. This would have been the ideal time for Jesus to affirm that it does not matter where or in which tradition one worshiped God, as long as one only acknowledges God. Instead, he cautiously admonished her, taking her knowledge to a higher level. He pointed out that proper worship must be done "in spirit and in truth," not according to man-made traditions.Sticking to their traditions had left the Samaritans in the dark about the truth.
The people of Samaria were very serious in their religious habits and believed they were following the example of Abraham and Moses. However, their customs prevented them from worshiping the Father "in spirit and in truth."

DIFFERENT TRADITIONS
Correct traditions are an important aspect of a godly life, as the apostle Paul affirmed: "So be steadfast, brothers, and hold fast to the traditions we have taught you, whether orally or by letter" (Ex Thessalonians 2:15; standard translation). Paul was clearly not of the opinion that all human traditions were correct, namely he wrote later in the Letter to the Colossians: “Be careful that no one deceives you with his philosophy and false teaching, which are based only on human tradition and on the elementary powers of the world , not called to Christ ”(Colossians 2: 8; standard translation).
So there are traditions that we should keep and others that a follower of Christ should avoid. Some traditions are based on clear biblical teachings and others are mere human customs and even contradict Biblical teachings.
To see the difference, it is helpful to look at an example from Jesus Christ himself. The religious leaders of Jesus' day derived their principles for teaching the community in Israel primarily from oral traditions. Originally, these traditions were extensions of the law given to Moses and the Israelites. As time went on, however, the traditions diverged further and further from their original intent, and drew their authority more and more from tradition than from scripture.
In an example from Jesus' life, he once confronted religious authorities about ceremonial hand washing before dinner. The Pharisees openly related these ablutions, which they carried out with the most meticulous precision, to “the statutes [traditions, traditions] of the elders”. Jesus' answer was pretty straightforward and straightforward. Describing these leaders as hypocrites and their traditions as "doctrines that are nothing but human commandments," he added, "You forsake God's commandments and keep man's statutes." His remark regarding the replacement of God's commandments with human traditions was particularly tragic for those affected, insofar as this would “serve God in vain” (Mark 7: 5-8; Luther Bible). The clear message here was that the commandments of God override human traditions or that they should always be given preference.
For people who understand Christian tradition in the sense of following Jesus, his words are also of great importance with regard to the celebration of festivals that come from non-Christian traditions.

LIVE AFTER THE WAY
Even the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah admonished the people of his time not to make wooden idols (like the pagans around them); He said, “Thus saith the LORD: You shall not accept the worship of the Gentiles, nor shall you be afraid of the signs of heaven, as the Gentiles are afraid. Because their gods are all nothing. A tree is felled in the forest, and the sculptor turns it into a work of human hands with the carving knife, and he adorns it with silver and gold and fixes it with a nail and hammer so that it does not fall over ... They are all fools and fools; for to serve the wood is a vain worship ”(Jeremiah 10: 2-4, 8). God condemns these traditions and customs, which underlie pagan religious practices, because they miss the core of true belief in God.
In this context, the principle applies: the apple, which is called a pear, always remains an apple. Even if a thing is disguised as beautifully and covered with new content, those who sincerely seek the truth direct their attention to the core of a thing.
An excellent exposition of the principle view of God in this context is found in Deuteronomy 12, verses 29-31 and chapter 13, verse Genesis 1, instructing the Israelites before they enter the Holy Land by saying: “If the Lord, Your God, before you exterminates the peoples to whom you come to take their land, and you have captured it and live in it, take care that you do not allow yourself to be misled into following them after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not ask about their gods and say, How did these peoples serve their gods? I want to do the same! You shall not serve the LORD your God in this way; for they have done to their gods all that is abomination to the LORD, and that he hates; for they even burned their sons and daughters with fire to their gods ... Everything I command you, you are to keep and do accordingly. You should not add anything or take anything away ”(Luther Bible).
The festival, which is celebrated on December 25th (or 24-26), was a religious festival long before it was put on a Christian cloak. In the English-speaking world, the name "Christ-mas" creates at least a reference to the person to whom the festival is obviously intended. According to Germanic history, the German term “Christmas” is derived from the twelve holy Christmas (Winnachten), which separate the lunar year, which is twelve days shorter, from the solar year. The night was the mother of the day for the northern peoples, the longest or annual night had the new year for the son. The Roman world celebrated the pre-Julian solstice day, December 25th, as the feast of the birth of the sun child, Sol novus or Deus Mithras invictus. There were similar customs in ancient Greece as well: "At the time of the winter solstice, the honorable Attic women went on pilgrimage to Delphi ... it was the time of birth of the sweetest child of the gods - Dionysus" (Sepp, The Religion of the Old Germans). The Egyptians too have a forerunner of the "Christmas story" with the image of Horus on the arms of the Theotokos Isis.
In our globalized world, also in the non-Christian world, many people celebrate the festival today in a purely secular sense and in this respect reject any reference to the origin as irrelevant. It is a wonderful festival for them that they look forward to and that they want and can enjoy. Religious reference points have no value for these people, some of them may be bothered by the excessive commercial hype. Religious people on the other hand, sometimes consciously, overlook the pagan origins or believe that the celebration of the birth of Jesus as a “Christian” background justifies everything else. However, for someone who has turned to biblical teachings, pious intentions are not a valid formula to justify everything.
In this context, some readers of the Bible will certainly have noticed that nowhere in the Bible is it specified exactly when Jesus Christ was born. If this festival were of as immense importance as could be inferred from Christian practice today, it would seem strange and confusing. Nor is there any evidence in God's Word that the birth of Christ should be celebrated at all. Scripture, however, is clearly and vehemently directed against traditions and customs that originate in pagan practices and that do not correspond to the Word of God, as we have shown in this article.
Followers of Jesus Christ will care about the words of the apostle John: “... the true worshipers [will] worship the Father ... in spirit and in truth; for the Father also wants such worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. "

BRIAN ORCHARD

John the Baptist was the first to be happy about the birth, even before the birth. Then there were the three magicians who, together with Mary and Joseph, were happy about the birth. They even brought gifts. An angel appeared to the shepherds and announced the great joy of childbirth. Who should mind if we are happy too? Once a year we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.


Who should mind if we are happy too? Once a year we celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.

It is probably not even interested in the famous "dead gas man" whether someone has once again written something very cleverly in a populist article about how unchristian Christian festivals are. And the installer in question is even less interested in whether the timing is exactly right.

The latter is completely irrelevant because for us Christians we celebrate the actual, joyful event of HIS birth and want to understand and internalize it in the Christmas liturgy. And we have been celebrating this festival for a long, centuries-old tradition, always at the end of December each year. This is really essential and important and makes sense in terms of the liturgical year.

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