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Re: coronavirus

of emigrants »Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:31 am

Cordula Schröder wrote:I hope this is just a bad joke and not the truth The epidemic throwers are starting the big feed again? With which virus do you want to contaminate everyone again soon?

"China Reopens Markets Selling Bats, Pangolins After COVID-19 Effect Dips"

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-c ... X-CAyoOU40


I don't think the Chinese are stupid enough to reopen a market if it were really the place of origin.
Unless they want to fool the world.
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Re: coronavirus

of LUV4.0 »Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:31 am

Todde wrote:
Restaurants will remain closed until the summer, you can assume that.


Not in life. You have to leave your floe sometimes and communicate with appropriate people .. wait and see.
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Re: coronavirus

of Todde »Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:35 am

LUV4.0 wrote:
Todde wrote:
Restaurants will remain closed until the summer, you can assume that.


Not in life. You have to leave your floe sometimes and communicate with appropriate people .. wait and see.


And when they're open, do people run into them?
You can't wait. Restaurants are as important as athlete's foot right now.
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Re: coronavirus

of LUV4.0 »Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:37 am

No ... restaurants are extremely important for the economy. I know that you don't understand that with your limited point of view is not bad either ... but yes, they will be run over. I wasn't just referring to restaurants though ...
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Re: coronavirus

of Todde »Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:17 am

LUV4.0 wrote:No ... restaurants are extremely important for the economy. I know that you don't understand that with your limited point of view is not bad either ... but yes, they will be run over. I wasn't just referring to restaurants though ...


No, of course your perspective is not restricted ...
VW is allowed to produce, they don't want to.

Almost everything is important for the economy, only the economy stands still either because of restrictions or if you just keep going because of the high proportion of illnesses.
No company will be able to produce if 1/4 of the workforce is sick. 15% of those infected need medical help.
Further uncontrolled spread will lead to a much longer standstill of the economy, leaving hundreds of thousands with long-term damage.
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Re: coronavirus

of Isarland »Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:34 am

berlin3321 wrote:

We can be happy if the Italian food factories continue to run, food from E continues to "land" here. It is not quite that easy.

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Re: coronavirus

of Todde »Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:39 am

Isarland wrote:
berlin3321 wrote:

We can be happy if the Italian food factories continue to run, food from E continues to "land" here. It is not quite that easy.

MfG Berlin


Do we need it? Not me.


A majority of the media people will go nuts without it.
Then the vegan hyper would quickly come to an end.
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Re: coronavirus

of berlin3321 »Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:39 am

Yes, we need them in D. You as an individual may not need them, but the entire population in Germany does.

Why do you think Aldi is now bringing the goods from I to D with special trains? Because trucks are still stuck at the borders ... the same will probably also be necessary in E.

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Re: coronavirus

of LUV4.0 »Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:41 am

Todde wrote:
No, of course your perspective is not restricted ...


No, it isn't either. Because, unlike you, I don't linger on my panic clot and sometimes leave the Landtreff / Facebook world. You don't have to believe me, let alone agree ... just wait and see, I'll remind you.
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Re: coronavirus

of Todde »Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:57 am

LUV4.0 wrote:
Todde wrote:
No, of course your perspective is not restricted ...


No, it is not either.


You haven't mentioned why VW doesn't build cars. According to your worldview, they are not allowed, that is just wrong and not true.
VW should very well continue to produce.

I have a different opinion about the restaurants when it comes to reopening.
Economically, the industry, like a lot of others, will not survive without a huge wave of bankruptcies.
And when I look at the situation here, most of them will not be able to reopen in 3 or 4 weeks because they are bankrupt.
Many restaurateurs live here on a large scale.

The question arises, why so many people said "the farmers" should be able to put up with a year of drought ... But then not even 4 weeks of "drought" survive.
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Re: coronavirus

of Upper Palatinate »Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:00 am

Todde wrote:Almost everything is important for the economy, only the economy stands still either because of restrictions or if you just keep going because of the high proportion of illnesses.
No company will be able to produce if 1/4 of the workforce is sick. 15% of those infected need medical help.
Further uncontrolled spread will lead to a much longer standstill of the economy, leaving hundreds of thousands with long-term damage.



You really watch too much daily news ...
Hundreds of thousands with long-term damage? Where do you get this information from?

My sister works in an intensive care unit in a Munich clinic. She currently reports that the course of pulmonary fibrosis is quite difficult, but all of them are people with previous illnesses. But that's not unusual. Two years ago there were very many influenza patients who had to be treated intensively. We are still a long way from the 25,000 deaths across Germany at the time. However, it is not yet possible to conclusively assess how dangerous the new corona pathogen is.
I have now spoken to three people who were corona positive. Two compared it to a mild cold, one complained of pain in the lungs. All three are completely fit again.

Incidentally, the number of cases of illness and death in Sweden and the Netherlands, extrapolated to one hundred thousand inhabitants, is still well behind Germany.
What you can definitely say now is that Covid 19 is really dangerous in nursing homes. Personally, I would be happy if I had to be in the nursing home, maybe even demented, if such a virus would end my life. But our society generally has a problem with growing old and dying.


Incidentally, we currently have at least 10,000 free ventilation places across Germany. With a maximum of 500,000 concurrently ill people, these places would have to be enough to cover the 2% of severe cases, even if they would have to spend a little longer than two weeks in the intensive care unit. Assuming that a total of 5% of the sick have to go to the KKH, then it would certainly not be a problem to nurse the remaining three percent healthy in normal wards or in emergency hospitals.
Anyway, we can only calm down from the new coronavirus through herd immunity and a vaccination. If drugs are really found that help, then you just have to let it go as far as possible, perhaps with restrictions in nightlife and at mass events. You can't stop the whole western world from developing and make millions of people unemployed because of such a comparatively mild disease ...
This is not about the plague or leprosy, but about a disease that is mild for 80%, 15% need medical support and 5% have to go to hospital. If there are medications, this percentage drops even further.
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Re: coronavirus

of Westi »Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:15 am

LUV4.0 wrote:No ... restaurants are extremely important for the economy. I know that you don't understand that with your limited point of view is not bad either ... but yes, they will be run over. I wasn't just referring to restaurants though ...


I also think that restaurants and retail will open again. Then stop with restrictions, etc.
The automotive industry does not produce because many parts from suppliers are missing.
Building on stockpiles is only possible to a very limited extent with just-in-time or just-in-sequence.
And because the vendor parts are not 100% secured, production has been stopped.
China has started to produce again and almost all of the factories there are working again.
Others will also start again from May. Slowly but surely.
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Re: coronavirus

of ewtux »Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:20 am

Incidentally, the number of cases of illness and death in Sweden and the Netherlands, extrapolated to one hundred thousand inhabitants, is still well behind Germany.


Hm, Germany has 13 deaths per 1,000,000 inhabitants, the Netherlands 78 and Sweden 30 deaths. The number of cases is only lower because there is less testing, especially in Sweden.
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Re: coronavirus

of Todde »Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:33 am

Oberpfälzer wrote:
Todde wrote:Almost everything is important for the economy, only the economy stands still either because of restrictions or if you just keep going because of the high proportion of illnesses.
No company will be able to produce if 1/4 of the workforce is sick. 15% of those infected need medical help.
A further uncontrolled spread will lead to a much longer standstill of the economy, leaving hundreds of thousands with long-term damage.



You really watch too much daily news ...
Hundreds of thousands with long-term damage? Where do you get this information from?


You obviously don't read enough.
Even pneumonia can cause permanent damage, without any corona.

My sister works in an intensive care unit in a Munich clinic. She currently reports of difficult courses with pulmonary fibrosis, but all of them people with previous illnesses. But that's not unusual.


Of course that's normal in Munich, so a hospital has been closed there, like every year.
Where did I say something else and write "that many sick people would have to use ventilators in Germany"?
On the contrary, I wrote several times that the situation in Germany is very relaxed, currently there are probably 2000 corona patients who are on ventilators.
I therefore think it would be a good idea to use the numerous capacities for cases from Italy and Spain.

Two years ago there were very many influenza patients who had to be treated intensively. We are still a long way from the 25,000 deaths across Germany at the time.


It has been proven that exactly 1900 flu deaths from the year are confirmed. The rest are assumed numbers for a period of 8 months.
We currently have 1000 deaths from Corona in 4 weeks.

However, it is not yet possible to conclusively assess how dangerous the new corona pathogen is.

You're right. We'll know more afterwards.

Incidentally, the number of cases of illness and death in Sweden and the Netherlands, extrapolated to one hundred thousand inhabitants, is still well behind Germany.

Sorry? It is not a matter of extrapolated figures. Sweden currently has 300 deaths, which they trace back to Corona.
And yes, the Swedes were probably less in Ischgl and not so numerous at the carnival.
But now you could take the 4,000 infected people and convert them to Germany. 10 million people there and 80 here. Then with your extrapolation they would have 32,000 infected people. MeckPom also has almost none, while Munich and Hamburg have completely different numbers. Stockholm is also the stronghold for Sweden.
Could everything have a reason?

If a total of 5% of the sick have to go to the KKH, then it would certainly not be a problem for the remaining three percent on normal wards


15% need medical help. On "normal" stations?
Fortunately, no one else has had an accident or sick due to Corona ...
3 hospitals in Germany are already closed because of the contamination.

Anyway, we can only calm down from the new coronavirus through herd immunity and a vaccination. If drugs are really found now that help, then you just have to let it go as far as possible,

And that is the problem, unfortunately it will all take a while.


You can't stop the whole western world from developing and make millions of people unemployed because of such a comparatively mild disease ...


What alternative do you suggest?
Mass illness and every company then has its own emergency hospitals?

If there are medications, this percentage drops even further.


Even when the drugs are there, they are not immediately available to millions of citizens in Germany.
First of all, they have to be produced by the evil pharmaceutical industry.
The same goes for vaccines.
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Re: coronavirus

of Upper Palatinate »Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:34 am

ewtux wrote:Hm, Germany has 13 deaths per 1,000,000 inhabitants, the Netherlands 78 and Sweden 30 deaths. The number of cases is only lower because there is less testing, especially in Sweden.


Yes, that's true, although you can forget the numbers anyway. You don't know how many were tested in total, not even in Germany. That's why you can't put it in relation. The decisive factor for the risk assessment is more the number of critical cases that have to be hospitalized.
The deaths include everyone who died and had the virus. Whether they actually died of covid 19 cannot be determined from the number of deaths.


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