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Mysterious death of two rich sisters in the Seychelles

Mysterious death of two rich sisters in the Seychelles

09/30/2016 at 13:57
@Minderella
Yes, I can also imagine something like that.

But I would not rule out conscious or unconscious ingestion of substances (without suicidal intent).
There was definitely a lot of drinking. The last picture shows two bottles of wine.
I would also like to know what this "medicine" is all about.
One has to wait for the result of the autopsy. I'm curious.


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Mysterious death of two rich sisters in the Seychelles

09/30/2016 at 2:02 pm
@Jonami
When I hear "medicine" I think of cough syrup first. Something prescribed as medicine but used as a drug? Just speculation.


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09/30/2016 at 2:25 pm
My first thought was also that the two were made willless with knockout drops. Possibly the dose was too high, so that the connection with the alcohol was fatal. The perpetrator may have abandoned his original plan at some point.

Maybe it was an employee of the hotel or possibly a guest.

Community suicide is unlikely, in my opinion.


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Mysterious death of two rich sisters in the Seychelles

09/30/2016 at 2:51 pm
The autopsy revealed that Robin K. died of acute pulmonary edema and her sister died of acute pulmonary and brain edema. The toxicological report is still pending.
An autopsy report reveals that vacationing sisters from Minnesota died in the Seychelles Islands from fluid in their lungs, a condition commonly known as Acute Pulmonary Edema.

The report, released by Police in the Republic of Seychelles, details the autopsies done on 42-year-old Robin Marie K., and her 37-year-old sister Anne Marie K.. While the cause of death for both sisters was Acute Pulmonary Edema, Cerebral Edema was also listed as a contributing cause for Anne Marie.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/nation-now/american-sisters-found-dead-in-island-paradise-resort/327948490
But Toussaint said officials hoped to learn more from a toxicology report that is currently being processed at a lab on Mauritius, an island around 1,000 miles away from the Indian Ocean resort archipelago.

The autopsy determined there were "no visible signs of injuries found on the bodies," Toussaint added.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/seychelles-police-release-cause-death-annie-robin-korkki-n657306


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09/30/2016 at 3:02 pm

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09/30/2016 at 3:23 pm
Everything points very strongly to poisoning!

An Australian mother and her 14-year-old daughter died in Bali in 2014 after visiting a restaurant. Fish poisoning, "Scombroid food poisoning" ?!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535608/Noelene-Yvana-Bischoff-29-different-drugs-Bali-hotel-room.html

And then there are poisonous sea creatures such as the "Geographicus" or "Cone Shell", a mussel that is better not to be picked up.
In the one Australian fatality, a shell collector picked up a 15 cm Conus geographicus, and placed it in his pocket. Despite feeling a small prick hethought nothing of it, but developed breathing difficulty and died on the boat trip to the mainland.1
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264878263_Venomous_marine_animals

But how likely is it that the women could have left their room after the evening, or that only the two of all people died of food poisoning, if they had their dinner at the hotel?


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Mysterious death of two rich sisters in the Seychelles

09/30/2016 at 3:28 pm
@gruselich

It's an interesting approach. If you have stayed in a better hotel, then there is probably also food a la carte, which is cooked in portions. Food poisoning can then only affect a few people.


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09/30/2016 at 3:28 pm
I just had to think of this German case while reading it.

Mysterious death of two auto mechanics on the same night


Perhaps the sisters also had a genetically inherited predisposition that led to death in one night in both of them due to a triggering moment on site.


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09/30/2016 at 3:30 p.m.
Pulmonary edema can also result from sepsis, which can be triggered, for example, by certain fungi.

One would have to examine the contents of the stomach, which they are sure to do.


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09/30/2016 at 3:31 pm
aero wrote:genetically inherited predisposition
Heart problems for example, yes .. But both at the same time? Creepy...


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09/30/2016 at 3:33 pm
@E_M

I'm not a doctor, but the likelihood of two people just so accidentally dying from pulmonary edema at the same time is probably very slim.

Something must have caused this pulmonary edema, it could have been poisoning.


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09/30/2016 at 9:57 pm
When a healthy person dies of pulmonary edema, it usually has a toxic cause (alcohol, drugs, etc.). There are enough prominent examples who died intoxicated and then showed pulmonary and / or brain edema on autopsy. The fact that both sisters met the same fate on the same night speaks for a deadly cocktail. Whether intended or not, I am unable to judge, but the theory with the knockout drops does not seem to me to be so ponderous.


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October 3rd, 2016 at 2:35 pm
Would be a logical explanation for me ...

Wikipedia: Decompression sickness

how do you ever want to solve this case if there is no diving instructor (diving instructor from a diving school) who takes responsibility. For me it is a diving accident - provided that you were diving, which you could have noticed on closer inspection.


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October 3rd, 2016 at 2:40 pm
LivingDream wrote:For me it is a diving accident - provided that you were diving, which you could have noticed on closer inspection
Take a closer look How do you know if you've been diving?


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October 3rd, 2016 at 2:44 pm
I think that especially on islands like this one is familiar with diving sickness as a doctor and recognizes the clinical picture, especially when two healthy young people die at the same time. For the investigators, too, this thought should be obvious with such a holiday destination.


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October 3rd, 2016 at 3:03 pm
Why now diving disease? It was said that the two sisters died of pulmonary edema?


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October 3rd, 2016 at 3:07 pm
For me z. Currently the most logical explanation: alcohol (possibly in combination with medication and / or knockout drops), then vomiting. If stomach contents / stomach acid is aspirated (gets into the lungs), this can trigger toxic pulmonary edema, see Wikipedia and Pflegewiki.


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Mysterious death of two rich sisters in the Seychelles

October 3rd, 2016 at 3:16 pm
@Ullischnulli

And you mean the coroner wouldn't have noticed if they'd inhaled vomit?


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