Why do special forces soldiers wear balaclavas?

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Karlson

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Posted: Mon 25.10.04 19:15
Yeah, the question is already in the title ... I've been racking my brain about it for weeks and just can't find an answer.

I can only imagine the following:

1.) A kind of relic from the Middle Ages in which the judges were also masked. After all, GSG-9 soldiers, for example, are "authorized" to kill. Or is it assumed that they kill more often than a police officer ... but why does a normal soldier not wear a balaclava? He kills a lot more people than a GSG-9 soldier.

2.) Protection for the soldier: The hood is supposed to protect the soldiers and their families, although I can hardly imagine that. The idea that a terrorist or other criminal will take revenge on the executive is absurd. A criminal would try to attack the responsible prosecutor much more ... but still an obvious point of view.

3.) Psychological warfare: The masking makes the soldiers appear grimmer, which on the one hand helps the soldiers because they can face people and are still completely impersonal, which helps in situations in which it is important to behave brutally (yes, there is something like that, imho absolutely). A similar effect can also be observed here on the Internet, if you look at many Internet forums, protected by the anonymity of the Internet, the users behave like the last assholes. (If you want an example: forum.ingame.de/warcraft/)
On the other hand, the eerie appearance caused by the hood is especially frightening to undecided criminals.

What's right now ??? Maybe someone knows the real reason ... with Quelle would be best.

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Posted: Mon 25.10.04 7:20 pm
With the GSG-9 e.g. 2) is the reason. 1) I think it's absurd. Because the mask was only a protection for the executioner.

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Posted: Mon 10/25/04 7:29 PM
For sure? How do you know?

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Posted: Mon 10/25/04 7:33 PM
Came on some TV report about a special forces competition in LA / USA. The GSG-9 were iirc the only ones who were masked (because of reason 2). I think they took 2nd place

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Posted: Mon 10/25/04 7:37 PM
Great, do you know that you are currently destroying my brilliant script for me?

for i: = 0 to 99999999 writeln ('Damn shit ****') ...

Well, then we start all over again.

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Posted: Mon 10/25/04 7:39 PM
oops ...

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Posted: Mon 10/25/04 7:41 PM
* lol * wanted to know and clicked on the first post at forum.ingame.de/warcraft/. There were a total of 12 swear words in 8 posts * haha ​​*. hot!

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Posted: Mon 25.10.04 8:07 pm
It's actually quite easy to answer: To protect your identity.

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Posted: Mon 10/25/04 8:42 PM
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After all, GSG-9 soldiers, for example, are "authorized" to kill.


The GSG-9 are not soldiers. Soldiers have no police powers. On the other hand, they are not really police either, at least not in the usual sense. The police are a matter of the state. The federal border protection is subject to the federal government. If so, they're a kind of federal police force. However, since the police are a state matter, the BGS is only allowed to intervene when it comes to federal matters, e.g. protecting borders, etc. The SEK intervenes in normal actions. The GSG-9 is used for terrorism and other matters for which the federal government is responsible.

In addition, the GSG-9 is not authorized to kill. You also have no right to a final rescue shot. They intervene and if someone shoots them they act like the normal police.

And your question. The answer is 2. Not only do they wear masks during missions, just like the SEK, by the way, it is not desirable for them to make themselves recognizable either. The reason is that they cannot be blackmailed. If one knew their identity, one could take their family hostage and blackmail them.

@raziel

In the report you mentioned, the GSG-9 officers were not masked. They were only shown as the only ones from afar.

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Posted: Mon 25.10.04 8:57 pm
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@raziel

In the report you mentioned, the GSG-9 officers were not masked. They were only shown as the only ones from afar.

How do you know what report I saw and: Yes, they were masked. For these reasons.

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Posted: Mon 25.10.04 9:11 pm
bms wrote the following:

The reason is that they cannot be blackmailed.


That's exactly the explanation I wanted. Now everything's clear.

But there is one thing I have to contradict you: you have the right to the final rescue shot. The thing is, you have to define what a final rescue shot is. If there is a suicide bomber standing in front of you with his hand on the rope, you can definitely shoot. Likewise if a hostage-taker holds the gun to the head of a hostage and threatens to pull the trigger in 5 seconds.

You are not allowed to shoot without a reason. So when a rifleman has a terrorist in his sights who is standing at the window or something.

I found out about this, and an officer of the BGS explained it to me in this way in an email. And he also used the term: GSG-9 soldiers.
I just sent an email to him with the question about the masking, and he will probably give me the same reason as you are now.

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Posted: Mon 25.10.04 9:13 pm
There was a report on television about a special forces competition in LA / USA. In the report, they were not masked and took second place. I can't imagine that one time they are hooded and the other time they are not. However, my statement relates to the competition. If there were interviews that I don't remember, it could be that they were masked.


PS: 20% of the answer consists of recycled reports

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Posted: Mon 25.10.04 21:15
The group leader was interviewed at my place. With a mask and a distorted voice. If I remember correctly it was a report on Pro Sieben - Die Reporter or something.

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Posted: Mon 10/25/04 9:35 pm
@Karlson

The BGS are definitely not soldiers. And the first thing I learned at the federal government was what soldiers were allowed to do and what not. You are not allowed to carry out police duties within the borders of the Federal Republic of Germany. Only the police can do that. But like I said, they're just a kind of police force. You are responsible for border protection. It may be that someone likes to describe himself as a soldier, but he is not.

The final rescue shot is actually not allowed, although I have just informed myself and saw that some federal states have now enshrined it in law. However, it is new. However, not every shot is a final rescue shot. A final rescue shot is an intentional killing shot. So if someone tries to storm a school with a hand grenade, they'll be shot at. No attempt is made to shoot the grenade out of his hand. You only do that in films. In the acute case, the body is shot, with all the consequences. In the event of a final rescue shot, there is no need for an acute situation to prevail. However, a hopeless situation in which one realizes, for example, that it has no purpose is sufficient. For example, the person is not ready to negotiate and will definitely go ahead with their plan.

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Posted: Mon 25.10.04 9:49 pm
why does the special make ?????????????

Let yourself be knocked on the door early in the morning around 4, quietly sone mummed team of 10. if you then break the door, shoot the dog, and really hit you in the mouth. then you know why wear the masks.
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Posted: Tue 10/26/04 9:09 AM
@BMS:

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The final rescue shot


You're a real full-blooded programmer, aren't you?
But in German it is called final (not like try finally ...)
But rescue shot.

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Posted: Tue 10/26/04 9:37 am
Doesn't that have to be called a rescue shot? That damn new German spelling.
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Posted: Tue 10/26/04 3:43 PM
bms wrote the following:


The GSG-9 are not soldiers. Soldiers have no police powers. On the other hand, they are not really police either, at least not in the usual sense. The police are a matter of the state. The federal border protection is subject to the federal government. If so, they're a kind of federal police force. However, since the police are a state matter, the BGS is only allowed to intervene when it comes to federal matters, e.g. protection of borders, etc. The SEK intervenes in normal actions. The GSG-9 is used for terrorism and other matters for which the federal government is responsible.

In addition, the GSG-9 is not authorized to kill. You also have no right to a final rescue shot. They intervene and if someone shoots them they act like the normal police.

And your question. The answer is 2. Not only do they wear masks during missions, just like the SEK, by the way, it is not desirable for them to make themselves recognizable either. The reason is that they cannot be blackmailed. If one knew their identity, one could take their family hostage and blackmail them.

@raziel

In the report you mentioned, the GSG-9 officers were not masked. They were only shown as the only ones from afar.


You just have to be a GSG-9 officer!
God gave me a signal!

Joking aside: I also think 2.)
and maybe 3rd - if I stand across from someone and have a mask on,
some would perhaps feel more secure because they know that they cannot be recognized
and if the officer can act better as a result - who knows - ask psychologists
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Posted: Wed 10/27/04 8:25 am
on the subject of mask: I also think 2.

On the subject of powers and tasks: www.sondereinheiten.de/index.php